In XP you could probably add some transparency to the bitmaps and realign the content of the start menu to stay out of the transparent areas.

choo-chee -

making the start menu popup in a different location is indeed an extremely hard thing to do.

basically, from what i have found, the start menu is tied directly to the start button. no matter where you move the start button to, the start menu will popup over, under, or beside the start button.

this is actually how tclock manages to make the start menu popup over the tray - it simply moves the start button there and hides it...

and that is the big thing - moving the start button - there was one program that does it, 'shakeit' i think it was called, have not tried it so am not sure how well it works. it would require keeping the program open tho i'm sure.

i've applied hacks to my system with some crude programming - i've found that if i completely close my system tray, and then move the start button, i can keep it placed whereever i want.

wow....this is really sad news for me. I use a mac style dock and the start button is on the dock as a dock shortcut but the menu itself appears left ....

Have you thought about using ShortPopUp (as a replacement for the Start Menu)?

...and use -noavailablecheck for it (eh, beaker? )

indeed

Description: The following will move the Start button to anywhere on the Taskbar.
1. While holding Ctrl, press Escape button to open the Start menu.
2. Press the Escape key close it, but make the menu selected.
3. Hold down the Alt and - (minus) keys.
4. Let go of the keys.
5. In the menu that pops up, using the arrow keys or the mouse, go to Move.
6. Press an arrow key.
7. Now you can use the mouse or the arrow keys to move the start button just like you would normally move a window!
This comes from this site:
http://defiant.darlington.com/Software/Win98/win98_tricks.htm

ahhh... i'd forgotten all about those particular options - had tried them long ago, and of course where there was once loopholes, microsoft have long since fixed.

i know that those do not work on winMe, and i'm pretty sure that they had also fixed that for win98se...

man, how i wish they did work though!!

....and it will not work on my w2k sp4....argghhhh !

I found some vb code that does this quite well works on xp pro sp1 any way you can drag the start button to anywhere u want if this is what you want let me know here and ill rewrite it a bit so it will save the position so it will it move it right back there after a reboot or whatever

download
http://www.emeraldcpu.com/zman3/movestart.exe
screen shot
http://www.emeraldcpu.com/zman3/start.png

drag where u want it then right click exits the program leaving the start button where u dragged it to

here's a question for you, zman - after the start button is moved, when a icon is added from or to the systray, does it move the start button back to it's original position?

i had coded up a a bit of vb code that allowed me to move the start button as well, but i found that as soon as the systray updated, it moved the start button right back. ( on winMe, anyways. )

Speaking of Mac style docks, one of the the most annoying things about them is the lack of a clock. But the good news is I found this thingy a while ago. It's called Ghrone, and is like Rainlendar, but is a clock instead of a calendar. It's translucent and sits anywhere on your desktop. Have fun.

screenshots

actually, mac style docks do have clocks. i used to have one on my y'z dock. there are also calendar docklets, so that's nice too.

and zman3, that's really cool.

ya it does move back when u add or remove a systray icon that sucks
i suppose if you kept the program running all the time i could put a timer in there to move it back every few seconds

or subclass and trap the WM_MOVE message. That would probably be smoother (less flicker)

If you wan't to subclass it you would have to write the program in c/c++ (or use some dll written in one of those languages with VB)

Good ole grigri, gotta love him

What do you mean Tobbe? VB is perfectly capable of subclassing a window in another process, you don't need c++ for that.

Im not that good at windows api but can you set the start buttons parent to be rebarwindow32 instead of shelltraywnd would that help?

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